Monday, May 28, 2012
The Latest on our DNA Line of Q1b1a or Q-L245
As for our Q1b1a haplogroup origins, familytreedna leader just stated, "I think in the next two years we will completely break up the Jewish Y-DNA
branches into lines that are no more than 3,000 years old. Then we will really
start to figure out when they became Middle Eastern or Jewish."
Right now the Q lines lead us into the Middle East of Pakistan and India, which is a surprise, though this is back more than 5,000 years. " Our labeling is M378. and in getting more specific, we are Q-L245. We go back 5,000 years for Q-M378 which includes Q-L245. There are some Q-M378 in the Middle East who are not Q-L245, however. This is why our leaders think that Q-L245 was born in the Middle East now. The age of Q-L245 needs work. Right now, they know that there are at least two branches."
Right now the Q lines lead us into the Middle East of Pakistan and India, which is a surprise, though this is back more than 5,000 years. " Our labeling is M378. and in getting more specific, we are Q-L245. We go back 5,000 years for Q-M378 which includes Q-L245. There are some Q-M378 in the Middle East who are not Q-L245, however. This is why our leaders think that Q-L245 was born in the Middle East now. The age of Q-L245 needs work. Right now, they know that there are at least two branches."
| Reference:Rebekah | Canada |
Also, we have a few matches from the Assyrian Project. Here's a great map of Assyria in Middle East http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/ancassy.htm It included Ur which is now in present day Iraq.
Labels: Assyrian Project, branches, India, middle east, Pakistan, Q-L245, Ur
Thursday, May 10, 2012
Our Haplogroup Was in UR- Maybe With Abraham
Nadene Goldfoot
My expert DNA friend has just told me more revealing information about our haplogroup of Q L245 which is also known to me as Q1b1a.
All this time I've thought that we originated the past 1,000 years ago in Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey, which did happen much farther back way before the days of ancient Israel. I had already known that our Q L245 has been found today in our Jewish male population and to be only 5% of that. Today I learn that it is also found in modern Arab populations, in modern Anatolian populations, in Iran and Iraq and in Ur down to the tip of Saudi Arabia and Oman. I was beginning to wonder about that learning that I had some distant cousins in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Why is this a revelation? This covers what used to be Ancient Israel which split and became Judah and Israel including Samaria.
It is written and found in our Torah, or Five Books of Moses, or known as the Tanakh, Bible or Old Testament, that Abraham was the son of Terah and the father of Isaac by his wife Sarah and Ishmail by Sarah's handmaid, Hagar, the Egyptian. He had left his birthplace in Ur of the Chaldees and lived among the Canaanite and Philistine people of what was then known as Canaan. He visited Egypt and then returned to live in Hebron. It is believed that he lived at the beginning of the 2nd millennium BCE.
It sounds reasonable to me to think that we came from Abraham being people from Ur today have this haplogroup. What a revelation! DNA scientists feel that people of today with the same haplogroup identifies locations of origin. I hope they're right. All this time we in this group have been trying to imagine where our origins were and several of us had pinned our thoughts onto the former Empire of Khazaria whose land connects with today's Russia. At least it was in the Siberia, Mongolia, Turkey area. Scientists today figure a few R1a1 or G haplogroups came from there instead of our Q L245.
I read once that a frozen man, Otzi, the Ice Man was found in the Alps in 1991 and found to be 5,300 years old with dna that showed this his dna matched people in the nearby town. . So I guess it is possible that some of the people living in Ur today are descendants of the ancients. I think this calls for a L'Chaim!
Reference: New Standard Jewish Encycloopedia
http://wilderdom.com/evolution/OtziIcemanAlpsPictures.htm
My expert DNA friend has just told me more revealing information about our haplogroup of Q L245 which is also known to me as Q1b1a.
All this time I've thought that we originated the past 1,000 years ago in Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey, which did happen much farther back way before the days of ancient Israel. I had already known that our Q L245 has been found today in our Jewish male population and to be only 5% of that. Today I learn that it is also found in modern Arab populations, in modern Anatolian populations, in Iran and Iraq and in Ur down to the tip of Saudi Arabia and Oman. I was beginning to wonder about that learning that I had some distant cousins in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Why is this a revelation? This covers what used to be Ancient Israel which split and became Judah and Israel including Samaria.
It is written and found in our Torah, or Five Books of Moses, or known as the Tanakh, Bible or Old Testament, that Abraham was the son of Terah and the father of Isaac by his wife Sarah and Ishmail by Sarah's handmaid, Hagar, the Egyptian. He had left his birthplace in Ur of the Chaldees and lived among the Canaanite and Philistine people of what was then known as Canaan. He visited Egypt and then returned to live in Hebron. It is believed that he lived at the beginning of the 2nd millennium BCE.
It sounds reasonable to me to think that we came from Abraham being people from Ur today have this haplogroup. What a revelation! DNA scientists feel that people of today with the same haplogroup identifies locations of origin. I hope they're right. All this time we in this group have been trying to imagine where our origins were and several of us had pinned our thoughts onto the former Empire of Khazaria whose land connects with today's Russia. At least it was in the Siberia, Mongolia, Turkey area. Scientists today figure a few R1a1 or G haplogroups came from there instead of our Q L245.
I read once that a frozen man, Otzi, the Ice Man was found in the Alps in 1991 and found to be 5,300 years old with dna that showed this his dna matched people in the nearby town. . So I guess it is possible that some of the people living in Ur today are descendants of the ancients. I think this calls for a L'Chaim!
Reference: New Standard Jewish Encycloopedia
http://wilderdom.com/evolution/OtziIcemanAlpsPictures.htm
Labels: dna, Q L245 haplogroup, Ur, where found in world
Wednesday, May 02, 2012
New Test for Khazaria Royalty
Nadene Goldfoot
Israeli scientist Dr. Eran Elhaik from John Hopkins University has discovered autosomal signature of the Khazar aristocracy and royalty. Khazars were of Turkish origin, it is thought. They would be the royal family and 4,000 nobles that converted to Judaism in the Empire of Khazaria, which was very large in most of South Russia, in the lower Volga region, going as far as Kiev. which was very powerful from the 8th to the 10th centuries CE. Their King Bulan lived from 786-809 CE. The Khazars had teamed up with Attila the Hun around 452 CE. They fought in company with the Black Huns (Hungarians) and Alans. The Tartars had invaded in 1237, putting an end to the empire. Italians referred to the empire as Gazaria.
Descendants of Khazars have been found among Crimea Karaites, Krimchaks and Jews of Eastern European origin, the latter of which my family comes from. Our grandfather came from Telsiai, Lithuania.
The Jewish population in the entire Khazaria between the 7th and 10th centuries must have been considerable. Caucasian and other Oriental Jews had lived and carried on business with Khazars before the arrival of Jewish fugitives from Christian conversion from Greece in 723 by the Byzantine Emperor Leo. Two Spanish Jews, Judah ben Meir ben Nathan and Joseph Gagris lived in Khazaria. A German Jew living there was Isaac ben Eliezer. It was he who brought a letter to the king. Isaac ben Abraham moved there from Sura. Rahdanite Jewish merchants coming from Spain or France went through the land near the Caspian Sea. These merchants spoke Arabic, Persian, Greek, Spanish, French and Slavonic and traveled continuously from west to east and vice versa by sea and land. They carried with them eunuchs, serving-maids, boys, silks, furs, swords, imported musk, aloes, camphor, cinnamon and other things from the Far East.
This study by Dr. Elhaik comes from Alfred Freddy Krupa. He tells me that to get involved, you need to add your own data set (autosomal raw data from FTDNA Family Finder or Relative Finder of 23 and Me). This is to check to see if you descended from Khazar aristocracy by the way of autosomal DNA.
This information is pertinent for people tested for DNA who are of the Q haplogroup and are Jewish or have Jewish connections, at least discovered through dna. We happen to be Q1b1a, and it's possible we are from this royalty. That's not to say that the E haplogroup or the R haplogroup isn't the main body of royalty there. Hopefully, this test will tell us something. Since our haplogroup makes up only 5% of the male Jewish population, being so small makes me think we could be from this special group of people.
Update: 2/24/14 The latest report is that there is no evidence that Ashkenazi Jews were from Khazaria. http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/study-finds-no-evidence-of-khazar-origin-for-ashkenazi-jews/2014/02/23/
Resource: Alfred Freddy Krupa
http://www.rockethub.com/projects/7471-the-khazar-dna-project
New Jewish Encyclopedia
Jewish Encyclopedia.com 1906 edition
Books to read: The Jews of Khazaria 2nd edition by Kevin Alan Brook, published in 2006
The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler, published in 1976
Israeli scientist Dr. Eran Elhaik from John Hopkins University has discovered autosomal signature of the Khazar aristocracy and royalty. Khazars were of Turkish origin, it is thought. They would be the royal family and 4,000 nobles that converted to Judaism in the Empire of Khazaria, which was very large in most of South Russia, in the lower Volga region, going as far as Kiev. which was very powerful from the 8th to the 10th centuries CE. Their King Bulan lived from 786-809 CE. The Khazars had teamed up with Attila the Hun around 452 CE. They fought in company with the Black Huns (Hungarians) and Alans. The Tartars had invaded in 1237, putting an end to the empire. Italians referred to the empire as Gazaria.
Descendants of Khazars have been found among Crimea Karaites, Krimchaks and Jews of Eastern European origin, the latter of which my family comes from. Our grandfather came from Telsiai, Lithuania.
The Jewish population in the entire Khazaria between the 7th and 10th centuries must have been considerable. Caucasian and other Oriental Jews had lived and carried on business with Khazars before the arrival of Jewish fugitives from Christian conversion from Greece in 723 by the Byzantine Emperor Leo. Two Spanish Jews, Judah ben Meir ben Nathan and Joseph Gagris lived in Khazaria. A German Jew living there was Isaac ben Eliezer. It was he who brought a letter to the king. Isaac ben Abraham moved there from Sura. Rahdanite Jewish merchants coming from Spain or France went through the land near the Caspian Sea. These merchants spoke Arabic, Persian, Greek, Spanish, French and Slavonic and traveled continuously from west to east and vice versa by sea and land. They carried with them eunuchs, serving-maids, boys, silks, furs, swords, imported musk, aloes, camphor, cinnamon and other things from the Far East.
This study by Dr. Elhaik comes from Alfred Freddy Krupa. He tells me that to get involved, you need to add your own data set (autosomal raw data from FTDNA Family Finder or Relative Finder of 23 and Me). This is to check to see if you descended from Khazar aristocracy by the way of autosomal DNA.
This information is pertinent for people tested for DNA who are of the Q haplogroup and are Jewish or have Jewish connections, at least discovered through dna. We happen to be Q1b1a, and it's possible we are from this royalty. That's not to say that the E haplogroup or the R haplogroup isn't the main body of royalty there. Hopefully, this test will tell us something. Since our haplogroup makes up only 5% of the male Jewish population, being so small makes me think we could be from this special group of people.
Update: 2/24/14 The latest report is that there is no evidence that Ashkenazi Jews were from Khazaria. http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/study-finds-no-evidence-of-khazar-origin-for-ashkenazi-jews/2014/02/23/
Resource: Alfred Freddy Krupa
http://www.rockethub.com/projects/7471-the-khazar-dna-project
New Jewish Encyclopedia
Jewish Encyclopedia.com 1906 edition
Books to read: The Jews of Khazaria 2nd edition by Kevin Alan Brook, published in 2006
The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler, published in 1976
Labels: DNA test, Dr. Eran Elhaik, John Hopkins U., Judaism, Khazaria, Royal Family
